PL: When to say {No thanks.}?

[Jei]

Re: PL: When to say {No thanks.}?

While I do help people, there was that one time long ago.... I camped Leaping lizzy for 8 hours. He popped, a level 11 thf claim him and call for help...... so I let him die and claim the lizzy when it went back to normal -.-

[bikkebakke]

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While I do help people, there was that one time long ago.... I camped Leaping lizzy for 8 hours. He popped, a level 11 thf claim him and call for help...... so I let him die and claim the lizzy when it went back to normal -.-

I would've done the same thing >.<;

[onorok]

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Today, experience players stay at end game activities, they don't come levelling up anymore. It's hard enough to get a balance party set up, and you can pretty much expect your party members to not be so skilled and kill hella slow. If there are PL, take the ride. Get done with levelling so you can do something else with your time. That's what I think now.

For some 75s, it might be a matter of getting a sub leveled as quickly as possible, either out of immediate need for the sub or distaste for playing that type of class. A good example might be people leveling NIN or DRK as subs. They want 37, and they want it out of the way.

If done a fair bit of solo and duo-PL (five jobs to 37 this way), often because it would be a melee job with slow invites, plus I did not like LFG (yes, you can make your own parties instead of LFG). I liked finding good camps that get chain 4~6 usually, plus I liked getting a ton of Beastmen Seals. Mage jobs though, I just party with.

Best bet would probably be to form parties yourself and turn down PL offers. Not that easy only your first or second time going through the zones, but the forums and sites like Campsitarius might help give you an idea of camps, SCs to use, etc.

[Omni]

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i enjoy any of the help i can get.
everytime i seek on any job under 60... its like 2 players seeking. whenever i do a seek all for my level range, theres maybe 3 pts MAX if that many at all.

since a lot of people are on the higher end of the game now (which is shown by the 30+ ppl seeking at 73-75 range everytime i merit) these middle levels are completely barren. its difficult getting or even starting a pt in this middle levels and when you do they dont necessarily mean theyre going to be good.

i'm all for 'experiencing' the game how its supposed to be played but when you're in a level range where parties are hard to come by... making those parties count as much as possible is what i hope for. so i wont be turning down any pl if it means it'll help me get to 60+ sooner.

[Effedup]

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My rule of thumb is: if the party requires a pl to survive then there's something wrong

Of course, I don't think it's possible to escape Valkurm without getting at least one pled party...

Having recently leveled Brd and Rdm through those levels, the dunes were pl infested but after that it wasn't as bad (I think I only had two pled parties in the jungles and qufim combined).

I've only been PLed once, and that was from a friend in RL to get my WAR sub levelled up where it needed to be for my MNK main, and even then it was only 1.5 lvls and it was just me and him. Honestly I don't really see the point in a PL because it doesn't really encourage you to learn how to play the game correctly, all it does is encourage you to go balls out with no thought of hp, hate management, etc.

I knew a guy in rl that talked a friend into playing the game, then him and all his friends took turns logging into the guys account to level him up as fast as possible. I really didn't see the benefit, as now guy has a level whatever account but doesn't know even the basics because he really hasn't played.

It's one thing to get help from a lvl 75 to run you through a tough area so you don't get ganked, but as for xp I think if more people did it without a PL there'd be a lot better players out there.

Just my 2 cents...

[Kurb]

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I'm not anti PL I will accept it under these terms
1) Bad Healer and friend/LS amigo is bored senseless
2) Chaining colbries and friend/LS amigo is bored senseless
Never unless it was life or death or I needed an escort <Kurb never needs an escort> would I ask or accept a PL

[Aksannyi]

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I hate being PL'ed with a passion, especially if I'm the tank or the main healer.

I was leveling PLD in Valkurm not long ago with a friend as the WHM, and he got a PL from his ls. Which first of all places a {Hmmm...} on his abilities as WHM, but also makes me wonder exactly what my role was supposed to be.

So I was doing the party duties as usual, voking consistently and using Cures to hold hate. I was doing a damn good job, until the PL told me not to voke.

W.
T.
F.

So how the hell am I supposed to learn then? I don't mind if you cure a little bit if we're about to die because of a link or just a really tough mob, or if you cure after we're done fighting so we can chain faster. But you're going to completely interfere with the party dynamics?

I even went as far as to /say "PL {No thanks.}" but was told that I should be grateful for their help. Personally, if I were PLing (not that I would!) and someone in the party told me they didn't want me there, I'd leave. There is plenty more to be done than sit around healing another party for crappy healing magic skillups.

There's something wrong with this PL mentality. I've had them in the Citadel, I've had them in the Nest. IN THE NEST!!!! I can't believe people think we need a PL in Crawler's Nest at level 40.

Once in a while I suppose I don't mind, like I said, especially if the party is just getting a boost between fights or something, but for every party all the way through Kazham? Hell no. I'd rather solo.

[Takira]

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I agree with most of the previous posts and times that I have PL'd groups in the dunes (mainly LS friends) I have never interfered with the party dynamics. I was there mainly to handle links and raise if needed.

I prefer not to have a PL but if a high level friend is bored and wants to keep an eye for my party that is fine. As long as the party is working well, I consider a PL a type of insurance, there if needed but hopefully you won't.

[Omni]

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I hate being PL'ed with a passion, especially if I'm the tank or the main healer.
I was leveling PLD in Valkurm not long ago with a friend as the WHM, and he got a PL from his ls. Which first of all places a {Hmmm...} on his abilities as WHM, but also makes me wonder exactly what my role was supposed to be.
So I was doing the party duties as usual, voking consistently and using Cures to hold hate. I was doing a damn good job, until the PL told me not to voke.
W.
T.
F.
So how the hell am I supposed to learn then? I don't mind if you cure a little bit if we're about to die because of a link or just a really tough mob, or if you cure after we're done fighting so we can chain faster. But you're going to completely interfere with the party dynamics?
I even went as far as to /say "PL {No thanks.}" but was told that I should be grateful for their help. Personally, if I were PLing (not that I would!) and someone in the party told me they didn't want me there, I'd leave. There is plenty more to be done than sit around healing another party for crappy healing magic skillups.
There's something wrong with this PL mentality. I've had them in the Citadel, I've had them in the Nest. IN THE NEST!!!! I can't believe people think we need a PL in Crawler's Nest at level 40.
Once in a while I suppose I don't mind, like I said, especially if the party is just getting a boost between fights or something, but for every party all the way through Kazham? Hell no. I'd rather solo.

well... i think for some people, like others and i have said... when your going through the nest for the 4th, 5th, 6th time.... you grow tired of shitty pts and especially when those middle levels are so barren. i have a mnk at 47 and everytime i seek, theres barely anyone in my range that are seeking and even partying already. so when you actually DO get a pt, you want to make it count for as much xp as possible.

i would take a pl all the way up to lv. 50-60. since everything before that is just shit in terms of player availabilty, player experience and quality and just camp selection.

[Eauijhkuu]

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I have forever hated and loathed PLs.
If you see my team taking a hard beating, a few cures now and then are really awesome...But the moment that you want to tank for the party? I have a slight problem.

When I'm WAR, I tend to keep hate.
When I'm THF, I tend to SA. And I tend to use TP moves a great deal.
WHen I'm WHM, I tend to cure people...who need to be cured.

To the equivalent...it's almost like inviting your friend to lunch, and then they bring their friend with them. They take out the bones and leave you the meat, without asking your permission or if you needed the help at all.

"Thanks, but I can do that myself"
But I guess everyone wants to be pampered now days.

[Omni]

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i think of it as like... well when you have to kill your food yourself... skin it, cut it up, cook it everytime you eat... why not have someone do it for you?

xping thru those midlevels is painful when youre doing it for the ump-teenth time. just like if you had to kill your food everytime you had a meal.

that's what the butcher and chef are for.

now.... if someone was to cut up your steak for you and feed it to your mouth each time... yea... no thx. though i like to think of PL as the butcher/chef that take out all the hassle and just let you get straight to the food itself: the xp.

[Mog]

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Power leveling is fun, to an extent.

I'm a 27 samurai staticing with a bard and a rdm. We have yet to make a 6 person party, so it allows us to stay alive since we have a power-leveler. (allows me to bypass all the noobies in the dunes....)

[Effedup]

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i think of it as like... well when you have to kill your food yourself... skin it, cut it up, cook it everytime you eat... why not have someone do it for you?

xping thru those midlevels is painful when youre doing it for the ump-teenth time. just like if you had to kill your food everytime you had a meal.

that's what the butcher and chef are for.

now.... if someone was to cut up your steak for you and feed it to your mouth each time... yea... no thx. though i like to think of PL as the butcher/chef that take out all the hassle and just let you get straight to the food itself: the xp.

A PL at higher levels would be okay, I guess, hopefully by the 30's people would understand party dynamics and how to play their jobs. What makes me shudder is PL's in the dunes lvling a party of 10's, especially when said 10's don't have sub jobs. Obviously those people are noobs (not trying to be a jerk about it, I was there too as were we all) and haven't really learned what a WAR does in a party, or a THF, etc.

Nothing irritates me more than WARs voking off of NIN's with full shadows, or BLM's nuking a mob the second the mob gets in range, WHM's casting Cure III on people 18 hp down from full, etc. I understand mistakes happen, and wrong macro's are pressed occasionally. But I've been in some parties where those "mistakes" happen over and over again. I'm not saying PL's are the entire reason for things like that happening, but you gotta wonder how people could have gotten a job to a certain level without understanding what happens when they do things like that constantly. I'd bet there's at least a 50/50 chance they were PL'd to their level and have little "real" party play where hate management and mp conservation is important.

As for players taking advanced subjobs up, if they've never played the job before it's pretty much the same thing. I recently unlocked BST, and I have no ideo how to party as BST and what my responsibilities would be. If I have someone there curing me while I do dumb things, I'm never really going to learn what was dumb about what I did, so next thing you know I'm 50 and pissing people off royally. That's the drawback of being PLd in my opinion....

Like I said, getting help from a lvl 75 friend to run you through a difficult area or help you with a difficult quest or mission is one thing, and everyone has gotten help at some point with these types of things. But it's something else entirely when you never really fear dying because you've always got that 75 WHM sitting on the sidelines to give you a raise if things go bad. Sometimes it takes a death or 4 to learn...

[Kurb]

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Nothing irritates me more than WARs voking off of NIN's with full shadows, or BLM's nuking a mob the second the mob gets in range, WHM's casting Cure III on people 18 hp down from full, etc.

How sad is it when this describes mt regular party when I returned
Like the how to speak to a n00b states
there are n00bs and newbs
I was a newb by thefirst time i reached the dunes i had a mnk lvl12 war lvl 11and red <10> so I already had 2 good sj's mnk/war war/mnk.....mabey red/war
but these lot are so different a new breed has mutated ...the Nerd

These are the lvl 65+ asses who convince their non ff11 compatable amigos to play the game the Nerd then PLs them to mid lvls and sets them loose on society.[GM]Dave save us

[Omni]

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Like I said, getting help from a lvl 75 friend to run you through a difficult area or help you with a difficult quest or mission is one thing, and everyone has gotten help at some point with these types of things. But it's something else entirely when you never really fear dying because you've always got that 75 WHM sitting on the sidelines to give you a raise if things go bad. Sometimes it takes a death or 4 to learn...

I hear you about the pl on new players. Totally understandable. I'm just talking about myself and others like myself that have been through dunes > qufim > kazham > cn > qc like 6 times already. I tried to seek last night as my mnk and I couldnt even make a PT if I wanted to for the 2 hours I was seeking. I surely didnt get a invite either. So in these times, I'd ask someone to PL me if and when I did form a PT or get a PT because who knows when I can XP next.

There will always be some overlap when you get a PL, like that person who got the PL happen to be in the same PT as some nubs, etc.

How sad is it when this describes mt regular party when I returned
Like the how to speak to a n00b states
there are n00bs and newbs
I was a newb by thefirst time i reached the dunes i had a mnk lvl12 war lvl 11and red <10> so I already had 2 good sj's mnk/war war/mnk.....mabey red/war
but these lot are so different a new breed has mutated ...the Nerd
These are the lvl 65+ asses who convince their non ff11 compatable amigos to play the game the Nerd then PLs them to mid lvls and sets them loose on society.[GM]Dave save us

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